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after hurricane sandy, but some of that pain has been eased by a relief project called train of hope led by a group of folks who know firsthand what a big difference a helping hand can make. nbc's michelle franzen has more. >> reporter: at the amtrak station in new orleans, volunteers from nearby swidell hard hit by katrina are on a mission organizing and packing up pallets of diapers, shoes, and blankets. the second run of donations for hurricane sandy victims. residents and firefighters here paying it forward. >> specifically we were focused on trying to make it better for the kids up there. >> reporter: in addition to basic supplies, this so-called train of hope will be filled with holiday toys all bound for sandy's smallest victims. >> reporter: 30 hours later the train rolls into newark, new jersey's penn station. 27 pallets in all, half the toys go to the marine's toys for tots program. the rest end up here at engine 155 ladder 78 in staten island. >> our own version of the polar express. >> reporter: children of firefighters, kids who lost everything in sandy's wake get to pick ou
sandy was no exception. here is another example. michael of brooklyn, check this out, every dayhe is treading his death in his red suit with his red cent deliverg presents to boys and girls. he gets requests from kids and has been blessed with a huge influx of thenaton's. michael johnson the qualifies for the nice list, and i'm thankful they're out there. that's my "2 cents more." here is how you vote in on the poll qestion we asked on gerriwillis.com with the emphasis this holiday season,ks. merry christmas. happy holidays. have a good one. ♪ lou: good evening. this beakers failure to win republican support in the house for his plan the proposal on the fiscal cliff has embarrassed the speaker, but the speker's failure means a solution to the fiscal cliff is, if they're going to be one, now restng squarely upon preident obama. arsine to be vacationing president alone cannot propose legislation that wins majority support in both the house and senate, and the decision to go over the fiscal cliff now depends on his ability to successfully negoate and to forge a compromise that appe
in new town, connecticut. a school shooting that killed 26 children and adults at sandy hook elementary. today nra boss wane lapierre blamed violence on the media bloody movies and violent video games. he blamed lawmakers for making schools an easy target for the monsters living among us. >> politicians pass laws for gun free school zones. they issue press releases bragging about them. they post signs advertising them appeared in doing so, they tell every insane killer in america that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk. >> harris: lapierre then called on congress to put an armed officer in every school by next month when kids go back after the holidays. protesters disrupted his comments at least twice today. one of them claiming the nra has blood on its hands. james rosen live in washington tonight. james, there was an overarching point today that lapierre was making. what was it? >> well, he cited the presence of armed and trained security officers, harris at banks, courthouses, power plants, defense installations and also the presence of firearms
, sandy? a drop in the price of oil? >> well, the traders i talked to on the floor say that those who think we are going to get some sort of deal or conclusion to this fiscal cliff by the end of the year think it's going to be a bad deal so while some are saying that we could get a rally if there's a deal reached by the president and congress, we could get a quick ramly, it's only temporary and we face the reality of the situation in the new year, and bottom line, david, when we looked at the oil reports today, there is a significant decline in energy consumption in the united states right now, and while that might be good to lower gas prices, it's not a great sign about the overall economy. david: it's not at all, but it makes the current rise in oil prices seem stranger than before. if the economy's slowing down, no reason for oil to be above 90 # for the long term. >> right. david: thank you very much. >> the trend with the retail consumer as a whole; right? david: market pam, john stevenson and larry, multimedia trust associate portfolio manager from west newton, massachusetts, an
, superstorm sandy. they do not think it was consumers fear got as much as it was on the drops of the markets in the middle east. back to you. lori: i think they did more online also. joining us now is founder and resident of sica wealth management. this is what i am thinking about with this disappointing sales. it is so difficult for the federal government. people are wary of all of the uncertainty. they are keeping their pocketbooks closed during this all-important spending season. do you see that as an interesting perspective? >> i think at this point, here you have this santa claus rally which is a market phenomenon that makes sense until it doesn't. that works until it doesn't. coming into this season we would have a typical 1.7% increase in the s&p 500. now, we are dealing with questions that will remain unanswered until january. that uncertainty makes investors anxious. tracy: we have for trading days left. what should we be doing? what should people be doing over the course of the next couple trading days? >> i think people should really look at their capital gains. we are at a point
rifle association exactly one week after the sandy hook school massacre has come up with a proposal for securing every school in this country, and it is such an obvious solution, so simple it immediately raises the question, why didn't anyone else think of it? well, we begin tonight with the fiscal cliff, justin days from the largest tax hike in american history was no movement toward a fiscal cliff deal more in the action in the house or senate. the responsibility now to avoid massive taxe and draconian spending cuts reting squarely on the prsident. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> just as our economy is really starting to recover and starting to see optimistic signs and we have seen actually some upside to from a whole range of areas, including two from including housing, now is not the time for more self-inflicted wounds , seven not the estimate from washington. lou: president obama's top advisers were quick to dump on the speaker come -- declaring he is backed into a corner. >> they went from plan b to plan seal later. the fact that they coul
. but this idea that retail is soft, was it the fiscal cliff? was it sandy? was it some sentiment that came out of the newtown tragedy? it's hard to say. >> but it may be a combination of all of those. we got a sense from the guests we brought on earlier this week, on monday, that it was not a great holiday selling season, as we ended the last day before christmas. and all those may be the reasons, carl. i'm positive i didn't think people really understood the fiscal cliff. i may have been wrong. perhaps it was something that weighed on people's minds. the weather always at issue. it could actually have been warmer weather as well that contributed. we've had some analysts say that because people don't feel they have to go out and buy a coat. >> because it will never get cold again. >> except today, when it's 28 degrees. we'll see how after christmas does. internet also, it doesn't appear as online sales are up as p as anticipated. and perhaps they made up for the loss of the brick and mortar. >> you were pointing out before the show, luxury was not immune to this. you would think it would be mo
and weeks after that tragedy at sandy hook, elementary school. >> many thanks, appreciate it. >>> here now to talk to us dan greenhaus, you are, if i understand it, a fiscal cliff stock bear. >> yes. give or take, yes. >> and why? >> well, i think it's pretty clear you're talking about -- well, our best case scenario has been we're going off the cliff. we said that the day after the election, we standby it today. if you do that, you're talking about the largest tax increase in our country's history, a considerable amount of spending cuts, and in the short-term, probably hit the stock prices on the order of 10%. >> if i give you a cliff deal. okay. i'm going to give you a cliff deal for middle class extensions, 250,000, you're right the top rates will go up. but if you get that deal in january, that does save us from the recession scenario, the really deep gloom scenario. >> this is the big debate. our view has been if you get a deal fairly quickly in the new year, it's hardly the end of the world. the question really or the debate really accelerates if you start getting closer to january 1
has just passed a $60 billion aid bill for communities slammed by super storm sandy. that vote was 61 for, 33 against. sandy road ashore devastating several areas and the senate rejected a republican amendment to cut the immediate cost to just 23 million clearing the way for final action on the $60 billion bill. the bill now goes to the house where its passage is uncertain because of the non-sandy-related spending items that are in the bill. typical sausage making for washington. >>> let's get to our panel. here now is blake zeff, former obama campaign aide and washington editor. robert, have you heard anything in the last couple of hours that suggests to you that somehow by monday mitch mcconnell and harry reid will sing kumbaya, pass something in the senate that also passes the house? >> i'm not so sure they'll be sing kumbaya, but the real story today is that there's movement on capitol hill. reid and mcconnell come out of that white house meeting and they're ready to haggle over some differences. what i expect to come to the floor is what president obama's talking about a 250 thre
is losing ground after jumping 3%. we have sandy smith at the chicago mercantile exchange. you told us oil would hit $100. we're on our way. >> we are down with today's session. people stepped in to the oil market because it was struggling. it is still negative for the year at underperforming and crude oil is down a percent and again today the word is he'll like it did deal by the end of the year and those who do as an say it will not be right where it will be bad. we still are not talking about growing jobs so there is negative sentiment crude-oil prices down when typically during of big storm prices would go up but they're dropping because there is fear we will enter a recession and the country will struggle and they say if we enter the new year we will see higher taxes, lower home values in people struggling. it is not a good. they say that's speaker boner will cave in and we will not get a good deal. >> calls it these oil cliffhanger. >> it is rattling explaining why a trading volume was down there may be at camp saying it is a good price. exxonmobil refinery near chicago jeff? >> and
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from sandy, at the beginning of november, there was a lot to make up as we got throughout the course of november. but black friday came back nicely. we actually think that it's more going to affect some of the lower income consumers as you look back at the consumer confidence numbers than the higher end special names. we think it will hold it pretty well throughout the season. >> speaking of high end specialty names, you do favor coors and lululemon, those are some of the highest retailers out there. what do you see coors doing right? what sorts of sales numbers do they need to see this season to justify the valuation? >> they're at about 27 times. which given the kind of growth rate they've seen, i don't think it's all that expensive. the same-store sales were 25% last quarter. don't see that slowing even though we have modeled in a slowdown from that. not just at their retail stores, where they have a lot of room to open more stores. at the wholesale accounts, the big department stores, they're seeing incredible sales increases. they're putting in these shops that triple the busine
frequently. even when we had hurricane sandy rolling through the airline stocks outperformed the s&p week of and week after. at this point investors are overlooking that kind of thing. david: hunter, one of the surprising thing airlines learned to make money with sky-high gas and fuel prices. how have they done that. >> two main things. capacity discipline. they removed 8% of domestic capacity. david: they're just grounding planes? >> they put down more fuel efficient planes in '08. they are trimming underperforming flights. domesticly the u.s. airline industry is same size as 1999 despite more passengers are fly. david: the other thing. >> fees. david: all the bag fees. hate them but it is helping them. >> only single-digit percentage of their revenue but 155% of their ebitda. this is 100% margin stuff. shibani: six bucks for a pillow helps somebody. >> yeah. shibani: look at couple stocks doing very well. southwest airlines, 20%. alaska airlines up 15%. what is their recipe for success and what can we see carry over into the new year? >> a lot of people were very pleasantly surprised wi
about when it comes to a picturesque holiday season. but clear skies, sandy beaches, and highs in the 70's? not so much. and when you think about holiday decorating, florida probably isn't the first place that comes to mind either, but the holiday decor business is doing quite well in the sunshine state. >> the clients we're calling on are the rich and famous. they're professional athletes, they're industry leaders, and we're in the business of complete sales, service and installation for these types of people. >> reporter: david shindler has been in the christmas business for more than 20 years. he's a franchisee at holiday decorating firm christmas decor. >> we'll custom decorate well over a couple hundred homes this year, and part of that is complete custom interiors and custom exteriors. >> reporter: if you want your house to look like this, you'll have to have a lot of this. prices start around $1,500, average $3,000, and can run as much as $20,000 for some of their bigger commercial clients. shindler describes this waterfront fort lauderdale home as one of the more modest residence
season. hurricane sandy. tragedy in ct. >> none of the events out there were feel good factor events. it was all for consumer morale. >> when you look at the weakness this holiday season, how much of the blame do you put on retailers for not having inspiring merchandise and how much of it are just factors beyond their control like the economy and the fiscal cliff? >> i think overall it was more probably 70 to 80% factors beyond the retailer's control. i think retailers had creative merchandise but i think the news didn't lead to a feel good factor. >> in any economy, good or bad, you always have some winners. who did really well this year? >> well, it looks like in terms of who did well so far, companies like american eagle outfitters limited, michael cors, macy's' tj and i would say costco was also a winner. >> on the flip side were there retailers that you had high hopes for going into the season but just didn't deliver in the end. >> certainly we will see some becoming more promotion al, some of the children's retailers, whether it was impacted by weather or there was competitive
christmas. this storm is going to be terrible, and superstorm sandy had to have depressed sales if you consider what kind of damage was done to new york and new jersey. > i was reading about that. the mid-atlantic and northeast account for 24% of all retail sales in the u.s. that is a huge chunk of sales. > > absolutely huge, and that is going to put a big impact on sales. if you are spending your money getting your house fixed up and waiting for the insurance company to pay you back, that is absolutely going to affect retail sales. > i was looking at some of the companies out there: urban outfitters, tiffany's, macy's, wal-mart, target, all down. did they not see this coming? were they too optimistic? > > i think the fiscal cliff made a much bigger difference than people realize. if the average consumer is looking at somewhere between a $500 and $2500 increase in taxes next year, it is going to change their behavior, just like it changed company behaviors when you saw them accelerate their dividends. so, when the government goes and changes behavior, it is going to affect things like
flow of products from the gulf coast after sandy, a little bit from isaac too, so our prices here in the northeast are actually 10 or 15 cents above the lows for the year. and i suspect that may continue for a little while. on the west coast, we had a nice down trend, but today of all days, when a lot of people aren't even showing up, kind of like the giants yesterday, we're seeing prices actually move higher in california in a couple refinery issues. so that's going to be the hot market again in 2013. you've got an adversarial relationship between refiners and regulators and that doesn't add up to anything good. dagen: there's something very strange going on in terms of the wholesale market for gasoline and export of gasoline. can you explain that? >> yeah, one of the reasons the east coast has higher prices is -- and there's plenty of gulf coast product is the pipeline and it actually costs 15, 20, 25 cents a gallon to ship it from the gulf coast up to new york. you can actually ship it overseas to west africa or europe for probably a fraction of that. so even though the northea
was superstorm sandy that hit the big shopping areas and 5 lot of the big -- a lot of the big population centers on the east coast, and people there in new york, new england did not shop, and that was sufficient enough to bring down the numbers nationwide. there was a built of a rebound prior to christmas, but not enough to put us back on track for what the national retail federation says is their prediction for the holiday shopping season. 4.1% growth over last year, $586 billion season, but others say, no, nrf is off, and, in fact, shopper trek on monday revised from 3.3% to 2.5% growth. expect to see big sales, especially when you consider, nrf says, i think, that retailers make anywhere from 20% to 40% of revenue in the holiday shopping season, could be bad news for a lot of people. ashley: could indeed. adam, thank you very much. >> yep. ashley: there's a holiday hangover today, no doubt about, that but they have to help customers know when a sale is a sale. scott, bbc capital markets retail analyst joining me in a fox business exclusive. scott, what do you mean? people are told when a sale
about the impact of super storm sandy? the northeast and mid-atlantic make up 24% national retail sales. how much did that factor in? >> it had a big drag effect on the holiday season. we clearly saw that when the retailers report their monthly sales have talked a lot about the sales rate below expectations for november. and it has overall negative impact anyway just from a sentiment standpoint. people feel lousy. the tragedy in newtown, connecticut, was just awful. that puts everybody in a negative spirit in some respects. ashley: what about the psyche of the consumer with regards to consumer confidence in the sambar hit a six-month low. the economy still struggling, unemployment still high. people walking around the stores but maybe not buying as much, is that a factor? >> you do see some of that. buthe consumer confidence and actual consumer spending, it actually breaks down, consumers may say one thing and do another. most people tend to be like that. we found spending levels have held up okay, and we still think people are spending in the stars. there will be presents under the tre
of sandy took place. on the other hand if you noticed that has not been a lot of promotions from the major retailers past the holiday weekend that kicked off. i believe retail will do reasonably well, the question is will it exceed last year's performance? lori: i know apple is one of the companies you are bullish on. where's the upside, where do you see the trajectory? >> i have three sons all in their 20s, and they are they'red to the apple ecosystem for years to come. i think apple is a play that will not be the sony people talk about. i think apple has a place in the public mind that will be tough to remove. lori: is this an entry point? >> if you back out the cash, trading eight or nine times earnings depending on who you're looking at, given the outlook and not just the u.s. consumer, but now you talk about sales in china just started, there's a lot of catalyst and the stock is cheap. david: despite your pessimism of what might happen in the economy, you're optimistic about what's happening with homebuilders. yowe think this is a real burste are seeing, one that will last? >> i agree
sandy, that was a natural disaster, to think that all this really is man made, still boggles the mind. >> sickening. especially with claims back to 350, decent number this morning. >> there is a little bit of interpretation to that. to think that the government, federal government certainly was closed on monday and tuesday, some of the state government was closed for both days, one of those days as well, saying maybe it came in a little bit light. some interpretation but funny to see all the headlines crossing this morning saying the futures were moving based on claims or the treasuries based on claims numbers and not what was going on on the fiscal cliff. >> a crummy start to the year we get a fourth strike on top of all that, true. >> not such a crummy year for japan. japanese stocks rallying you can the yen continuing its slide against the dollar in all the major currencies, in fact. asian markets mixed overnight trading. the nikkei climbing to a closing level not seen since just before the march 2011 earthquake, marking a third day of gains, mostly drive bine hopes for a new stimu
at sandy hook elementary. they are hoping their message is heard at the nation's dan tal. >>> more than 30,000 people have called a petition for piers morgan to be deported. this started after he called a man unbelievably stupid after the shooting. he said if i do get deported for wanting few gun murderers, many continues will have me. >>> how is the traffic, tara? >> we should be returning back to normal. on the peninsula, skyline boulevard at sweat road. we have a fallen tree brocking the rad by -- blocking the roadway here. it will take a while to clear. they have to bring the wood chipper in. highway 237, traffic westbound, normally backed up at sunnyvale. but this christmas eve day we're luckily experiencing no problems. >>> on the bay bridge, traffic is looking great into san francisco right now. >>> 7:49. let's head over to rosemary. >>> actually, we'll take it over from here. changes could be coming to a city known for its high crime. why richmond says other cities are starting to surpass their crime rate. >>> and why the dungeonness -- the dunges in crab season -- dungeness crab s
after superstar sandy that they need to be on their toes. liz: thank you anna and peter. good reporting out there. amazon topping the list of most satisfying websites to shop on. with us, shibani joshi. she has the details. shibani: amazon has been the best for a number of years. [talking over each other] shibani: not all online shopping sites are the same. thankfully, we experience this directly. we are also getting this data. online research company releasing their annual results. for the eighth year in a row, amazon is the number one online retailing sites. also, other names, you may or may not be familiar with, qvc, estÉe lauder, etc. amazon has such a wide range of goods. it is certainly an easy to use site. the losers this year, some of these i have not even heard of. nutrisystem, that is a weight loss system. you have those flash websites. they are coming in at the bottom of the list. 24,000 people responded. liz: who had the biggest drop? shibani: not surprising, jcpenney. the confusion of what is happening in the stores. also, apple. that was a big one. it saw a drop because i
of courses of hurricane sandy, plus the dampened mood cast over the country by the recent school shootings in connecticut. >> what's on today's agenda for you to follow in the united states? there's no economic earnings starting to speak of on this christmas eve. the markets will be closing early with the nyse closing at 1:00 p.m. even, the cme at 1:15, nymex at 1:30 and the cme global index closes at 1:45 eastern so basically they can go shopping. now, u.s. markets were higher last week despite friday's lack of a deal on the fiscal cliff. the nax das was up by 1.7% and the s&p 500 by 1.2%. that may have been the santa claus rally. we're joined now by ben lichtenste lichtenstein. ben, if we look at futures this morning, looking negative. it doesn't look as though santa is going to visit on christmas eve. >> well, we have seen a significant santa rally. if you look at the lower levels we were trading at earlier. if you remember, we sold off with conviction to the downside in the s&p as we tested that 1340 level. recently, a strong rally off that level. but, really, unable to get anything co
of the ways and means committee in the house, sandy levin, that called for this legislation. the speaker was going to bring it up to kill it, but he couldn't kill it and then we moved to plan "b," the debacle of all debacles. it's the mother of all debacles. that was brought up in an effort to send us something. he couldn't even pass it among the republicans it was so absurd, he meaning the speaker, so it's very clear now, mr. president, that the speakers's number one goal is to get elected speaker on january 3rd. the house is not even here. he's told me it will give him two days to get back here, not two days, 48 hours. they don't even have enough of the leadership here to meet to talk about it. they have done it with conference calls. people are spread all over the country because the speaker is basically waiting for january aboutrd. now, the president campaigned on raising taxes on people making more than $250,000 a year. the bush era tax cuts will expire at the end of this year. obama was elected with a surplus of about 3 million votes. he won the election. he campaigned on this issu
in connecticut, sandy, fiscal cliff, everything. with that in mind where do you see consumer spending, consumer discretionary spending next year? >> i think in 2013 there's always a place that excels in consumer discretionary and it's based on product, price and where they can expand in terms of channel extension. in 2013 i think we'll see names like nordstrom where they are accelerating the rate of growth. i think we'll see urban outfitters continue their turnaround, perhaps in an accelerated pace in 2013, and i think you're going to continue to see, particularly in the first half of the year, the demand for products from michael kors do well. second half of the year is a different story and perhaps the turnaround of tiffany's to be the name for the second half. >> meantime, r.j., i think you would agree retail remembers scrambling right now because consumer confidence is plunging. three reports in a row that have been pretty dismal. >> yeah, i would agree. i think we're looking for a bit of a pullback in 2013, not only due to the fiscal cliff issues that will become more aware, especially whe
think this season is so different because of superstorm sandy. so what we saw right after thanks giving is a snap back. we have seen solid demand as we get closer to christmas and new year's. there's no doubt on the back side of the events in late october with super storm. it was a slow demand period for jetblue and for the industry in the northeast. >> it has been a difficult few weeks for jet travel because of the weather. are operations back it normal at this point? have you been able to make up the lost time o or no, not yet? >> absolutely. operations are back to normal. we are operating a record level of flight activity. right in the mid 85% load factors. we have seen a nice rebound on the back side of the storm. >> what are bookings looking like going forward? how are you expecting the first half it play out? >> visibility is a little bit after question mark as we move into the future. we are cautiously optimistic. let's face it, a lot has to do with what happens in washington. decisions. it really is. it is not like we didn't see this coming. >> they had 13 months to figure out a
sales to grow 3% to 4%. among the reasons cited for the weaker numbers, superstorm sandy and consumer nervousness about tax hikes due to the fiscal cliff. we've had lots of conversation about whether not fiscal cliff would impact consumer sentiment. and apparently now it's actually hitting people in the wallet. let's talk about what's on the economic agenda today. one very important report to watch, standard and poor's releasing the case schiller index on october home sales at 9:00 eastern. it's a busy week for housing data. tomorrow we're going to be getting the commerce department which releases new home sales for november. then on friday, the national association of realtors, not realtors -- >> yeah. >> releases its spending. its pending home sales index for november. >> in other housing news, the obama administration is considering expanding its mortgage refinancing program to include borrowers whose mortgages are not backed by the government and who owe more than their homes are worth. "the journal" reports one proposal being considered would also transfer potentially riskier loa
billion season. the problem is spending polls track might be off. superstorm sandy hid the regions of the country where we saw the biggest dropoff in spending in that period between october 28th and dec. 20 fourth. there were some rebounds. shopping came back in the last part of holiday shopping season until christmas eve but it was not sufficient to get back on track to what everyone expected. dennis: thank you. with weaker than expected retail numbers we will be heading into a recession next year. shibani: jim laventhol says in many ways yes, but it won't be a disaster. welcome to the show. you heard what adam said, that the consumer which accounts for 70% of the gdp, spending, they are pulling back and pulled back this year and during holiday shopping season. how close are we to start getting into this talk of getting into recession again? >> we're pretty close by i appreciate your pudding a qualifier that we don't have to go into a panic. there are a couple reasons for that. if you look at the stock market which is mainly where people place risk bets on growing their assets it
, the hurricane sandy, the track dpi in connecticut, people had a lot on their minds this season. this weekend was a key weekend. i think it helped. i didn't see promotions being extra promotional. but it's a push till the end. >> okay, so winners and losers? >> i think some of the winners, i think you're going to see companies like tjx, macy's. i think american eagle outfitters, even gap had a very good season, along with michael kors. >> losers? >> i think you had a tough time at jcpenney. i think the traffic was tough there all the time. i think kohl's had to be extra promotional in order to be able to drive the sales. and the whole children's sector was very promotional. from gymboree to children's place. >> so, dana, jason trennert from strat eegous. how are you doing? >> good, how are you, jason? >> good. normally retail stocks outperform in january, because i think that phenomenon that andrew was talking about is that there's a general sense that christmas gifts canceled at a certain point and then it comes back at the end and then you wind up having a big january and the stocks tend to
being up. all of a sudden then, we had the impacts of sandy, a tragedy up in newtown, connecticut, and just a lot of other factors that just put a damper on the season. >> so, it is fair to say that it started better than it ended now. >> it started better than it ended. there was a lot of excitement around black friday. i mean it was almost like the super bowl. they have all this advertising, drag people out, it's the biggest event of the year come shopping, and then week after that we had the pro bowl. there was no excitement. there was no reason to come out shopping. so big bang, but it kind of waned as we went into the season. >> how much of the season is in the books now? i mean, what's still left to happen? >> there's a couple of big days still coming. i think this weekend is a big weekend as people redeem gift cards, go into the stores, exchange items for what they're looking for. hopefully get that add-on sale and people start to take advantage of the clearance sale, i would say, though, 95% of it is in the books. we've probably got some strong days ahead of us, though, th
and this thing will start to pick up speed. fed policy is good. we've got a bump from sandy. so if we could just fix that up, i think we'll be okay. >> what do you think is the market reaction if we come, you know, in on monday, and there's some sort of a mini deal? what does that do to us? >> listen, i think we'll be okay here. the first and second quarter of next year are going to be okay, cliff or not. they're going to get something together. it may be sort of a sloppy deal, just, you know, a small deal, that lead us into more negotiations -- >> but is the event a mini deal or is the mini deal a grand bargain? >> they'll come up with a mini deal. it's taken them this long to get here. how can we anticipate they'll get significant done. they'll get some sort of stopgap measure done and we'll see a little bit of stability. stop seeing all the negativity that's surrounding us. we're dead red here. >> gordon, if you recall that 2008 period, the market was going 400, 500, 600, a 60-point drop in the heat of the crisis. why is the equity market being relatively stable to that comparison? it seems t
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